SCW 17 Top Five End of Season Tournament

[Newbport]

Hello all, I just wanted to explain the format for the end of season tournament so it catches no one by surprise.

My goal in this new format is to have the fairest competition possible, I feel eliminating any M/U advantages will help yield this.




                      The format and rules for the tournament are as follows.

- Predetermined M/U's for every game.
- Quarter and semi finals will be a bo7.
- The finals will be a bo9
- The quarter finals will be (#2 vs #5) and (#3 vs #4).
- The semifinals will be between the winners of the preceding matches.
- The winner of the semi finals will face the #1 ranked player in the finals.




                        The quarter and semi finals M/U's are as follows.
 
(This is explained from the lower ranked players perspective. The lower ranked player will always start the M/U sequence.)
 
 ~  1st game PvT
 ~  2nd game TvP
 ~  3rd game PvZ
 ~  4th game ZvP
 ~  5th game TvZ
 ~  6th game ZvT
 ~  7th game PvP



                                                   
                                     The finals M/U's are as follows.

 ~  1st game PvT
 ~  2nd game TvP
 ~  3rd game PvZ
 ~  4th game ZvP
 ~  5th game TvZ
 ~  6th game ZvT
 ~  7th game PvP
 ~  8th game TvT
 ~  9th game ZvZ


Let me know your thoughts on this format and if you think it is justified. If you think you have an idea of how to make a more fair competition let me know.

Oh and if a player has multiple accounts in the top 5 his lower ranked will be removed and replaced with the next highest ranked player.

Thanks!

[AI]

Drawing lots for managers and operators

ex)7bo
 ~  1st game ZvZ
 ~  2nd game TvP
 ~  3rd game PvT
 ~  4th game ZvP
 ~  5th game PvZ
 ~  6th game ZvT
 ~  7th game TvZ

ex)9bo                                                   
 ~  1st game ZvZ
 ~  2nd game PvP
 ~  3rd game TvP
 ~  4th game PvT
 ~  5th game ZvP
 ~  6th game PvZ
 ~  7th game TvZ
 ~  8th game ZvT
 ~  9th game TvT

[Newbport]

@ AI.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

So for the 7th game in either the quarter or semi finals you want the M/U to be either PvP, TvT or ZvZ?

How would the M/U be decided?

[DryFly]

all games are rvr. it would be silly to make set m/us when no one plays like this. any game can be won regardless of spot or matchup.

if people want to bust there ass to get two accounts in the top 5 i think they should be rewarded with both accounts in the tournament.(they are the ones creating the activity for the league)

[DryFly]

@ AI.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

So for the 7th game in either the quarter or semi finals you want the M/U to be either PvP, TvT or ZvZ?

How would the M/U be decided?

do not have set m/us. this seems ridiculous to me when the league is and always has been an RVR league. picked matchups will be abused much more than rvr based strats.

[Newbport]

@ DryFly

How could predetermined M/U's be abused?

[DryFly]

tvz im bunk rushing ur choke.
pvz im going fast tech
tvp im choking asap.

fmp has imbalances and if i know the pre determined matchup, i would abuse this.

[Newbport]

@ Dryfly

I definitely see your point and respectfully disagree.

The great aspect of this game is that any strategy can be countered.
A protoss going fast tech can be countered.
A choking terran can also be countered.
Everything can be countered with enough game sense and APM.

I don't see the point in a player putting in the time to play 200+ games just to get Mid ZvP 4 games in a row, that's not starcraft. Anyone who has played this game knows having a mid spot vs a high level player is an absolute disadvantage, there is no argument. 

Also, there are always M/U complaints at the end of tournaments. I seek to have none of these.

[DinGo07]

Well, in my humble opinion, if something has characterized the league, it is that for centuries all the players played RVR without problems and gg

[DryFly]

im telling you, people will be upset if this is the format.

everyone plays rvr. all games this season are rvr.

one of the only advantages of zerg on fmp is not being scouted asap so you can get ur choke up without pressure of a rush. now you want people vs a pre determined zerg and only scouting chokes?  think about it man.

and do not take peoples 2nd accounts out, this is what keeps activity during regular season. if you only allow one account, people will dodge and protect this 1 account.

i get that its ur money u donated, but i cant argue this idea anymore. picked m/us in a final when everyone plays RvR is just nonsense to me..

[scan1014]

Hi, I'm new to fastest, started 4 months ago. I don't know if my point of view will be valid in fastest, but here is my opinion.

From my point of view, mirror match up should be added in a 1st, 4th, 7th or 3rd, 6th, 9th set for bo9 series.
bo7, each player has a chance to ban a one of mirror match up. If both players want to ban same mirror match up, lower rank or rock, paper, scissors for the winner to ban another mirror match up.


 Example of Bo7

 ~  1st game PvT
 ~  2nd game TvP
 ~  3rd game PvZ
 ~  4th game ZvP
 ~  5th game one mirror match up
 ~  6th game TvZ
 ~  7th game ZvT



                                                   
                                     Example of Bo9

 ~  1st game PvT
 ~  2nd game TvP
~  3rd game PvP
 ~  4th game TvZ
 ~  5th game ZvT
~  6th game TvT
 ~  7th game PvZ
 ~  8th game ZvP
~  9th game ZvZ

Or


~  1st game PvP
 ~  2nd game PvT
 ~  3rd game TvP
~  4th game TvT
 ~  5th game PvZ
 ~  6th game ZvP
~  7th game ZvZ
 ~  8th game TvZ
 ~  9th game ZvT

[Newbport]

See below comment.

[Newbport]

That is true, the league has always been played RvR.

It just pains me to see players get unfavorable M/U's in their series, it leaves them without a fair chance of winning after all the time and effort they put into the league.

I think the only way to solve this is to ask the community.
If the community votes for RvR then RvR it will be, and vice versa.

In the end I just want to see the fairest competition possible.

A poll has been posted, if you're reading this please vote!

Thanks.

[Robotik]

I can see points of either side.

Getting z mid spot is a huge disadvantage and losing the tournament because of that is disappointing (justified).

The problem is clear and exists: Spot and race disadvantages. A solution would be nice, but I don't think yours is helping. Setting matchups kills race unfairness, but spots are the bigger problem and untouched.

Example: PvZ is cross map, ZvP you are mid with P above you. Still unfair.

What about other solutions? Like veto for 1-3 matches that can be used in the first 2 minutes? You don't kill the suspense of RvR, you help against spot/race luck.

[scan1014]

That is true, the league has always been played RvR.

It just pains me to see players get unfavorable M/U's in their series, it leaves them without a fair chance of winning after all the time and effort they put into the league.

I think the only way to solve this is to ask the community.
If the community votes for RvR then RvR it will be, and vice versa.

In the end I just want to see the fairest competition possible.

A poll has been posted, if you're reading this please vote!

Thanks.

how do I vote? I need a help. I'm voting for set M/Us