.Back in SCD I used to beat up on Fruit quite a bit, went like 4-0 usually. never thought he was a top player

Ummm... what? I never played anyone that much on SCD. Must be another Fruit because my records in SCD never went above 4 losses in total so how can you be 4-0 on me "usually." Who are you? I was consistently top ranked in every SCD I played and my losses were very few each season(one season I had -1 losses...negative one.. I dont know if people remember that season, the system bugged). There's no way you went 4-0 "usually" because no one ever went 4-0 on me. I never even played games like that. Always switched up opponents. The only people that played that many games vs me were Chevron, Andre and Hash. I never even played that many 1v1s.

Also, about China winning League Of Legends worlds two years in a row.
DoinB = Korean
GimGoon = Korean
TheShy = Korean
Rookie = Korean
Duke = Korean.

2018 Worlds KT ROlster was second strongest team and only team to even put up a fight with IG, a team consistent of mostly koreans. 2018 KT Rolster was second best team at Worlds. 
2-3 vs IG and losing on a coinflip fight. IG 3-0 G2 and Fnatic.

2019 is a different story.

2020 Estar is the first fully chinese team seemingly capable of winning worlds unless they crash in summer split.

Oh, don't get me wrong. Korea is still strong in League of Legends and they might win this upcoming World's in dominating fashion. It's quite possible we see a Korean team vs Korean team in the finals. But they aren't a lock for gold like before. Many players no longer just assume Korea will win if they put their mind to it. Korea fielded their all-superstar comeback teams and it still didn't get them the gold. The pedestal has been destroyed and the whole world knows anyone can beat anyone in today's game.

The Gap be damned, Champions can fall, Gods can bleed.
 
There's something about the Chinese system, however, that makes B-tiered Korean players straight beasts after they commit fully to the Chinese lifestyle and system. Duke isn't a big contribute to his team but the other four you listed are definite cornerstones of their respective teams and yes, they are Koreans. But they are only 2/5 of the team, even if I.G. is perhaps primarily dependent on TheShy and Rookie...
None of them were really the most sought after free-agents when they were in Korea and generally did poorly when they played in Korea. Up until the DoinB raised the championship trophy, he was being bashed left and right for being the worst mid laner in the laning phase of the entire tournament. Every single round the analysts and commenters stated his average to below-average mechanical ability would be a huge problem. I would have guessed that the Chinese system would not do as well in cultivating less-than-proven talent and instead be better at raising capital and securing the top talent and names like Faker. Instead China has shown that some of their organizations are actually great at growing with newer players and creating the next superstars. A part of me still feels it's luck because it almost goes against all the prevalent theory about the Chinese system.

Gaming culture and habits of each region now has advantages and disadvantages rather than before were everyone was just trying to play catch-up and copy what the Koreans were doing.

you wont ever beat the starcraft koreans.
I've been hanging with a korean amateur at semi-pro level for the last two months and he stomps the best low money foreigners without really trying to. In Starcraft they are a different breed.

First, I’m not your average “foreigner.”
I roommate with 4 Koreans. I lived/spent the entire last year in a Korean gaming house. Right now, I’m competing in a field that Koreans are known to dominate in. It ain’t StarCraft but the past two years have shown that they aren’t invincible in this field either.
But, enough about that.. all I’m saying is if the European/Chinese gaming communities both gave up all other games and refocused on StarCraft 1, there’s no guarantee that Koreans will remain gods in StarCraft 1. The world has caught up in the gaming sphere but they’ve also given up on StarCraft 1 a long time ago.
The Korean region is strong, but there is not a single modern game they have a stranglehold on anymore. They’re not genetically predisposed to be gods at Starcraft 1 but beatable at Starcraft 2. It’s just a matter of timing. Their gaming culture, habits, economic situation allowed them to be #1 in the world in a time in which the rest of the world was playing catch up. They took the game seriously in a way the rest of the world couldn’t imagine. The gaming house, A/B teams were all huge factors that allowed them to put a stranglehold on any game they wanted to touch.
The reality is that in today’s age, you see countries like Pakistan putting out Tekken players that win world titles over Korea or Japan. China has won the last two League of Legends World’s. Europe won before that and Korea didn’t even make the finals that year.
StarCraft 2 isn’t dominated by Koreans only. Koreans do well in all these games, but they aren’t unbeatable.
Second, we’re talking about fastest. Not saying I can or can't beat a Korean player if I started playing StarCraft now and trained for 1.5 years... but they really aren't unbeatable.
I'm literally watching the VODs of some of these korean fastest players.
First, Brain is pretty damn good. I’ve been watching his games and while he does show small weaknesses sometime, he patches those up quickly with every game he plays. I feel that he is the type of player that would do well in fastest even if all of Korean low$ suddenly played only fastest. I don’t know if people consider him #1 in fastest, but yeah from watching his games he is the real deal. I think it’s dangerous to just watch a few games of Brain and them label him a certain type of player because he really does show vast changes as time goes on.
I watched many games of LuckYback as well as other Korean fastest players. Generally VODs are more informative than replays but overall they don't play nearly as perfectly as possible. Nothing I would consider unbeatable. Main problems I think they can improve on a lot is choke building patterns, drop defense and execution of certain cheese. I saw LuckYback lose a Terran early bunker rush vs Zerg that 3 hatched because he didn't choke. How?!?!?! How do you screw that bunker contain up? A choke would have 100% prevented the Zergling surround. There’s a sense of Korean pride in that the Terrans always want to match the zealots/zerglings with marines instead of playing certain parts safe. They don’t cheese defense or cheese contain. They pretty much try to rely purely on their marine micro and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen them waste ungodly amounts of money on marines that die to a surround when they could have just gotten a better choke. They lose a lot of economy with subpar building and their mass times aren’t super crazy. I’m sure they can play a lot better. Most of this is knowledge and willingness to execute rather than hand-speed and innate talent but they really aren’t invincible. The interesting thing is top Korean low$ Terrans *do* cheese chokes and various ways to save economy on defense while leaving more flexibility into their openings when playing low$. So it’s just a matter of them treating fastest like that and use every cheese and trick they know to grab any advantage they can.

Quite a few of the Korean StarCrafters aren't that great at drop defense in fastest. Many games go GG after the Protoss just drops once or twice and the defensive T player doesn't have enough drop D. I don't know if it's Korean pride or something, but they don't pull enough marines or tanks back. They're too confident in their micro that they don't choke early. The choke allows you to bring more defense to the mineral area and at the same time be able to respond to attacks at the front. When they do finally have their choke, they never pull the marines back to respond to drops.
They also don't leave a gas open near the command center in order to gas-hit repair trick the main CC. I saw LuckYback lose four command centers to muta/queens and he didn't make a single move with his SCVs to repair. These pros should know the repair trick but for some reason I never see the Terrans do it. I don't know if he didn't see the mutas or what, but they honestly have quite a few holes in their game. The Korean players have pretty strong micro and handspeed but there really are a lot of gaping weaknesses in their game in terms of how they build and how they approach fastest. Valkyries and tanks can’t be the only units for drop defense and yet I’ve seen many of these Korean fastest players keep them as the only drop defense near the CC. Valkyries are interesting weapons that we didn’t have in our era. Mainly is because we played vanilla StarCraft but second issue is that unit limit bugged out easily and Valkyries stopped firing. Combined with mind control, Protoss generally had a better early, mid and late game. Starcraft remaster fixes and mind control ban does make the entire matchup quite different.
I can’t tell you how many of these Korean Terrans GG’ed out after only 1 or 2 drops from the Protoss. It’s honestly depressing given how much better their map is for Terran compared to ours(Have we switched to their version? At the very least make the mid spots more balanced like theirs…).
The Korean Terrans really aren’t unbeatable.
Overall the Korean maps give Terran some reeeeeally strong possibilities. They can put Tanks on the high ground and generally have a much easier time containing the opponent and breaking bases. Terrans never had a map this generous to them for fastest. I’m just so disappointed at their drop defense and building patterns.
I’m not saying I could comeback and beat Brain in a best of 7 RvR series(I’d get demolished but TvZ would be interesting.). But to say I wouldn’t take games off any these Korean fastest players if I took it seriously and trained? I don’t buy it.

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tom and hash dominated this game for like 4 years
played with hash on sc2. he was grandmaster
marine came for like a year or 2, he was good but tom was On/Off like alot of us.

Agree 1#BattleCheese- #2Hydra And #3Hash, some believe that they wasnt the best because they saw some games of them after they were decreasing theyre level but people who saw them in theire prime know the real lvl taht they reached and was incredible not like nowdays wish are very good players but not those magical games that they showed us

You saw "magical" games cause they knew what was going on all the time. It's easy to counter strategies when you know exactly what somebody is going for. If i have hacks and someone decides to 5min reaver it's insanely easy to counter when you know exactly what time that shuttle is hitting the edge of your base. I get so irritated with people like you lol i swear. He was a  hacker dude.. how can you sit there and give him credit? I just don't understand....

He cheated! He dominated the scene because he knew what people were doing. A huge portion on starcraft is based on figuring out what your opponent is doing.

Anti-maphack offensive & defensive strategy
Hail Hydra
Bonus picture is the aiFaM FruitTank special on how to defend against Protoss Carriers trying to take your main

I don't know much about the Terrans that came before me or the ones that came after me. I never kept up with the Starcraft scene after I left. I also didn't really delve into the history of FMP. I pretty much came in a flash and then left. I'm glad that some people still remember my Terran and I feel a certain sense of accomplishment when I reminisce. I had a unique Terran that played like no one else. I don’t know if later on people started copying my strategies but I think I came close to perfecting the TvZ.

I do believe that, in my prime, I had the best TvZ.

Best Terran overall is hard to prove. I was undefeated in TvT in SCD but I always hated that matchup. I was good at it but I never felt any satisfaction after winning. I always had near perfect records in SCD. My natural talent at TvT was a big reason as I really only needed to work to improve two of my matchups: TvZ and TvP.
TvP was my favorite matchup but it was always a stressful matchup because a billion things could go wrong for the Terran. I had to be at the right mindset to play a TvP. TvZ was my better matchup as in my prime I could knock out any Zerg player extremely quickly and guarantee a win. If I played seriously, the other player had no chance no matter who it was. I was that confident in my TvZ.

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Why no Jinchuuriki there Mota? Or Brain or Rabbit?

 both should be there but I did not put them because they dont play to much in western leagues and we have seen very little of brain

Rabbit's played a lot during the UGL era. Kplus, Homeplus, LovelyRabbit, Hplus etc. His records weren't as good as they could've been because he played too damn cocky.

1.- BattleCheese-
2.- HyDrA[vck]
3.- Pro]Marine
4.- Mafia.Hash
5.- JhonSays-
6.- KoKaNee[Av]
7.- La.ProGamer
8.- Jinchuriky
9.- Rabbit
10.- Mafia.KeLeVran

I don’t know who everyone considers good players but Mafia.HasH is considered one of the better Zergs in FMP history. I also see that people have placed him in their top 5 players of all time.
These games weren’t me “in my prime” but they showcased my process in perfecting my TvZ to approaching unbeatable. So here are some replays showcasing me on my road to improving my Terran~
All against a (very angry) HasH.

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aiFaM the legend is back. What was his SCD 10 record, like 72-3 all picking terran vs the best players at the time?

Weeeeee~ Glad, people still remember me.
It has been forever since I played FMP or Starcraft.

I don't remember my exact record but I do remember that my losses were very few with Terran in SCD. I think there was one season that I ranked #1 but can't remember which one.
I remember super high winrates against Chevron, OWNYOUALL and Hash.
There were some other players that I played against a lot like aBstract, Asscobra
I remember doing 2s with Brooklyn a lot
I remember playing vs MonGo, KeFu, Stalife, Hydra
Lots and lots of games, glad to see some of them still active

I dug deep and even found my old signature/avatar. Fun times, fun times.
Found some old Starcraft folders and it totally brings back a lot of memories.

I kinda stopped playing not too long after.

Ahhhh, I remember you all ahhhhh
Ah, I remember Xp-sTeaLTh, Xp-Templar, Xp-SlayeR
I feel like there's one prominent one I'm forgetting.. Xp-Xiphos? or am I remembering incorrectly